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Posted - 11 January 2017 :  9:29:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add JohnTynan to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

Why do I have such trouble trying to separate a bloody loop-to-loop?

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Posted - 11 January 2017 :  9:35:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Dave's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Dave to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

Are you putting loop A (hooklength loop) through loop B (mainline or rig) and then threading your hook through loop A ?

That's the usual reason why people find it hard to split the loops.

The correct way is to put loop B through loop A then put your hook into loop B



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Posted - 11 January 2017 :  9:37:56 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JohnTynan to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

I do it the correct way as you describe, as I read that suggestion before. Still a b*%@&*d


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Posted - 11 January 2017 :  9:49:35 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin o connor to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

http://hooked-on-fishing.blogspot.i...op-knot.html Have a look at this !



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Posted - 11 January 2017 :  11:19:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mr Fishin to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

After catching a few fish or snags, the hook length loop will cut into the mainline loop an almost indiscernible amount.(assuming the hook length is a lower diameter than the mainline). This creates a ridge which is what makes it so difficult to undo the loops.

What I do is pull the mainline loop open which will break the seal and will allow you to push the 2 loops apart.




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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  12:15:41 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pauln to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

make the main line loop bigger and use a MAP lasso tool



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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  12:55:34 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Thebestboxever to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

I'd just cut off the hooklength, and replace with a new one if needed. As someone cleverer than I pointed out a while back somewhere on this site: why are we fishermen/women so willing (even happy!) to pay for a new pole, box, rod, reel, bag etc, and throw in x amount of bait, but not give up approximately 10p for a hooklength?


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  12:58:03 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Thebestboxever to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

And I realise I wasn't entirely clear: in cutting the hooklength, what I do I cut the hooklength loop, but only one "side" of the loop. I then pull the hooklength. This gives an uneven "loop" stuck (for reasons explained above). I then pull on the longer length of the "loop", thus pulling it out of the loop on the mainline. Then, attach a new hooklength.


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  07:44:56 AM  Show Profile  Visit richox12's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add richox12 to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

It can be a real pig with fine lines like 0.09, 0.08, 0.07 but then I end up doing what Thebestboxer says later. If I am not using the hooklength again I just cut it and trash it


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  08:07:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit genesis's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add genesis to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

Why not use a quick connector.



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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  10:05:13 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chris1Richo to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

I don't struggle with this, but I do often struggle to get a band through the loop. Maybe I tie the loops too small...
Any tricks on this would be appreciated.


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  10:15:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit richox12's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add richox12 to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

quote :
Originally posted by genesis

Why not use a quick connector.


Too big and too heavy on very fine lines


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  10:18:29 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gingert76 to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

you could always use a baiting needle through the loop first to pull the band through though personally i have no problems so i am guessing you make smaller loops than me. Also to change the HL i just cut the loop and pull the tag through, not sure why you would want the loop to come off so you can re-use it?



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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  10:36:41 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NathanWatson to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

quote :
Originally posted by genesis

Why not use a quick connector.


What's one of them?


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  11:59:00 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JohnTynan to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

Thanks all. Plenty of suggestions to try out.


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quote :
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quote :
Originally posted by genesis

Why not use a quick connector.


What's one of them?


Think the op might might like a Preston bead etc. http://www.fishingmayhem.com/presto...Eq0wodZx0Dqw

These wouldn't be able to be used unless feeder fishing.


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  1:48:36 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JohnTynan to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

I'm using the loop to loop primarily on a whip, connecting the hook length to the main line.


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  1:58:50 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat 1948 to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

It's only this year that I've gone back to river fishing after a very long break and I've noticed that the match anglers now have their 'sticks' on winders the same as pole rigs, so a figure of 8 over hand loop knot is a must on both the main line and the rig as well, also hook lengths, and when tackling down the joining of the loops the correct way certainly makes life a lot easier.



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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  2:30:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DFL to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

quote :
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quote :
Originally posted by genesis

Why not use a quick connector.


Too big and too heavy on very fine lines


Even these? They are tiny and light.

https://www.tackleuk.co.uk/Shop/Coa...ck-Snaps.htm



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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  3:08:35 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HABS to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

As has been posted above,just cut them off and bin them,the hook is the most important part! I sometimes go through 10 maybe 15 a match if I'm fishing shallow.


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Posted - 12 January 2017 :  3:15:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit richox12's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add richox12 to your friends list Reply to Topic Quote this Post

quote :
Originally posted by DFL

quote :
Originally posted by richox12

quote :
Originally posted by genesis

Why not use a quick connector.


Too big and too heavy on very fine lines


Even these? They are tiny and light.

https://www.tackleuk.co.uk/Shop/Coa...ck-Snaps.htm


Yes, even those. If you have an 0.09mm mainline and 0.07mm hooklength you don't want anything else on the join.


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